BIGFOOT'S BLOG
AUGUST 15th, 2013 Edition
The latest episode of my favorite podcast, SKEPTOID, by Brian Dunning, covers the PATTERSON-GIMLIN Bigfoot film.
Here is the link:
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4375
Though I love this podcast (yes, I really do!), as I listened to it this time I couldn't help but feel that his answers to problems and refutations of issues were too facile, in the way of skeptical dismissal rather than true skeptical analysis. Yes, there is a difference, folks. Many of his points raised were actually based upon fallacies and misinformation. I re-read the transcript, cutting and pasting parts that I found to be erroneous. These are just off the top of my head, but based upon some ten years of studying the history of this film here in Willow Creek and doing extensive research in the Bluff Creek area.
So, for what it is worth, here are the points I found troublesome. Go to the transcription page for the podcast and read the whole thing for yourself. Can you find any more problems? Are there problems with the problems I have raised? Well, post them in the comments below. Documentation of these issues surrounding Bigfoot in Bluff Creek can be very tricky, as they have found scattered publication (no, Greg Long's book is not the end-all of information), and much of it is based upon oral history here in the local area. I'm open to additions, subtractions and corrections to the following list. Thanks!
SKEPTOID PGF ERRORS:
* Bob Gimlin remained silent for 25 years
* he began speaking about it in the 1990s
* The original film no longer exists (unknown)
* no record of anyone ever having possessed the original print
* The original also would have included any other shots that were taken
(we do have a copy of the full film roll, with all shots)
* Patterson covered his tracks very effectively (fallacious assumption
of hiding the truth not following lack of records)
* full-time slacker (he did work, on his own projects, with determination)
* Few who knew him had anything positive to say about him (FALSE)
* lied about it (evidence?)
* knew everything better than anyone, and nobody could tell him a thing
(not demonstrated by the accounts of his friends)
* DeAtley ... who provided money whenever it was needed ("whenever" is
not true)
* Gimlin had developed a strong interest in Bigfoot (not before 1967,
and at Bluff Creek he still wasn't a believer)
* they rented the movie camera (no, only Roger did)
* went off on horseback (they drove a truck)
* creature obligingly stepped out of the woods (no, it was by the creek)
* Gimlin chased it on horseback, lost it, but found its footprints (they
never saw it again, only going up the creek where they thought it went,
and only found a possible water mark on a stone, not a foot print)
* 5 kilometers back to camp (slightly high)
* drove 40 kilometers on rough fire roads back to Willow Creek (not the
right distance, plus much of the way was on a real paved highway, and
before that they were on forest service roads, not "fire roads")
* loaded their horses into the trailer (it and horses were left in camp)
* It was about 4:00 in the afternoon (NOT when they arrived in Willow
Creek, but when they left the camp site... 6:15-6:30 apprx. arrival in
W. Ck.)
* glaring impossibility of this timeline (NOPE, so far it is just about
right, if they were quick about doing things)
* holes and contradictions in those stories. In the end, the version
Patterson and Gimlin settled on (as in any telling of events, there will
be inaccuracies, plus... how could they "settle" on a story if Gimlin
"wasn't talking," and they always told basically the same story anyway?)
* the only charter planes that could have flown that route that day were
all grounded (not necessarily true if a willing pilot had been found,
and there was a break in the weather)
* Since then, few serious researchers took Patterson and Gimlin's story
seriously. (MANY have)
* Throughout the 1970s, Patty Patterson, Al DeAtley, Bob Gimlin, and a
wildlife film company fought numerous lawsuits with one another over the
rights to the footage (DeAtley was not in lawsuits, but there was one
involving Patricia and Gimlin with Rene Dahinden. They wildlife film
company was sued for using the film without paying for it. That isn't
the film's fault.)
* Long... met face to face with all of these characters who were still
alive (NOT Gimlin, though)
* American National Enterprises, turns out to have been pivotal (they
were involved AFTER the film was shot)
* Patterson had been driving down to Hollywood a lot (I think three
times total, not a lot)
* trying to sell the idea of a pseudo-documentary about Bigfoot (among
many other projects, like his prop-lock and toy inventions, NOT just the
idea of a Bigfoot film)
* based on Patterson's own self-published 1966 book Do Abominable
Snowmen of America Really Exist? (NOT REALLY, as it was a fictional
docudrama thing, but the book is written as non-fiction)
* It was with their money that Patterson rented his camera (NO, it was not)
* took some pre-production stills of his buddies allegedly on a Bigfoot
hunt, but actually in Patterson's own backyard (not in his backyard, but
in the hills outside of Yakima, and not "allegedly," but dressed in
fictional character roles)
* ANE's movie was to be titled Bigfoot: America's Abominable Snowman.
(BUT, that was NOT Patterson's film, but a later production idea)
* for a day's work on a film set (a day just in driving, a day there,
and a day back, PLUS, it was not a "film set" but a real wild location.
* He met with the men once or twice to try on a gorilla suit and make
some adjustments (THIS MAY HAVE BEEN EARLIER THAT YEAR, as part of the
docudrama project)
* Then one day, he drove down to Willow Creek (nope, that is TOO FAR,
quite a ways past the film site and Bluff Creek)
* ANE's money had also been used to buy the gorilla suit.
* It came from Philip and Amy Morris, established makers of gorilla
suits for carnivals. (NOT as Bob H. described it, with horse hide and such)
* they had recognized the suit when they saw Patterson's film on
television (pure anecdote, plus the Morris suits are TOTALLY different)
* Patterson had asked their advice in modifying the suit (not
necessarily the same thing as at Bluff Creek)
* They also advised him to put a football helmet and shoulder pads on
the suit wearer to make him look enormous. Not surprisingly, when Greg
Long asked Bob Heironimus about the suit, he also mentioned that he wore
a football helmet and shoulder pads inside of it. (Conflation FALLACY...
the story about the football gear comes SOLELY from Heironimus)
* Patterson never paid Heironimus a dime (perhaps he didn't have to, if
Bob H. is lying)
* nor ever spoke up about it to anyone (he bragged about it for years
locally, in bars, to friends, etc.)
* ANE lost every penny of their investment (not involved)
* Patterson immediately abandoned their pseudo-documentary and, in
essence, stole the film clip that was rightfully their intellectual
property (TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS, the docudrama already had been abandoned)
* we now have a reasonably solid reconstruction of the film's complete
history, with plenty of space in the gaps to fill (CONTRADICTORY, either
it is solid or full of holes... which?)
* too lazy to take a regular job (no, he just didn't LIKE "regular"
work... he was more the independent entrepreneur type)
* too much in love with his wife Patricia, and too many stars in his
eyes to stick within the confines of the even the flamboyant rodeo (non
sequitur in the extreme, rodeo was a part-time affair at best, and he
loved his wife like any normal husband, and so what if he had big
ambitions... that contradicts the "lazy" assertion)
* He was inwardly happy but outwardly grumpy (TOTAL ASSUMPTION, with no
basis)
* while still being the rascal that he needed to be (bizarre assertion)
* Roger may have had a year left or five, and his thoughts were consumed
with providing for his beloved wife (what is wrong with that? BUT...
Roger expected to live, and said so constantly, while mass-consuming
health foods)
* Nor was it with the deliberate mischief of a hoaxer. (But... you just
called him a hoaxer repeatedly)
* He never paid his bills. (He was an ill man, struggling to make ends
meet, and he paid the bills as he could.)
* But, then you claim he is totally rich: "The film had been a great
success, and brought in a constant stream of money" ... surely if this
were the case he could have paid his bills.
* He never sold hours of his life. (NOT TRUE. He did work jobs here and
there.)
* He never sacrificed his lack of principles. (Nonsense sentence)
* Even as a hoax, the Patterson-Gimlin film is perhaps the most honest
film ever made. (Really? It is just a minute and a half of a mystery
creature, saying little more than that.)
Anyway, that is all for now.
When it comes to the PGF issues, the "Hoax Theory" feeds itself with its own presumptions, just as the "Believers Camp" feeds on its own wishful thinking much of the time. That is just the way it is, sadly.
No ANGRY BIGFOOT these days, sorry to say....
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BLUFF CREEK STATUS REPORT for June, Part One; Guest Blogger Travis McHenry; The Foibles of FindBigfoot-Facebook in Bluff Creek
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| The G-O Road, near the turn-off to 12N12, the way to the PGF site and Bluff Creek. Photo by Robert Leiterman. |
BLUFF CREEK FILM SITE PROJECT STATUS REPORT
WITH GUEST BLOGGER TRAVIS McHENRY, and PHOTOGRAPHS IN PART FROM ROBERT LEITERMAN.
Finally! We have time to blog! Y'all might check out our BIGFOOT BOOKS YOUTUBE page, where we've been wasting a lot of our blogging time (youtube.com/user/bigfootbooks).
You'll find some cool things on there, like our Al Hodgson Interview, Rip Lyttle's 1990s Bigfoot Class, Talks from the recent Oregon Sasquatch Symposium, a walking tour through Bigfooty aspects of downtown Willow Creek, and much, much more. Check there under "Uploads" and "See All." View our entire Bluff Creek video series (45 in all so far) under "Favorites."
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This is Part One of our initial attempts to get in to the Bluff Creek basin and continue our BLUFF CREEK FILM SITE PROJECT research from the work of last year. This entry covers our trip in very late May, and an update from a new friend, Travis McHenry, who found conditions up there quite similar to what we found (though he also found a possible Bigfoot track impression at Aikens Creek). In an upcoming entry we'll cover our late June successful trip, wherein we found the snow had finally melted from off the roadbed on the passes, leaving just the maze of boulders and downed trees obstructing our way in there. On June 27th we finally made it again to the PGF site and Louse Camp. For now, here are the tales of our earlier attempts.*******
As Spring played coy and elusive here in Northern California, complete with full-on changes back into wintry weather, the snow pack remained stubbornly on the upper reaches of the Bluff Creek basin and its surrounding ridges. The Bluff Creek Film Site Project has been spinning its wheels, literally, in mud and snow, antsy to get back down in there, where the Patterson-Gimlin Film of Bigfoot was shot, so that we might finally continue our research. THE CURSE OF BLUFF CREEK, however, had other ideas for us.
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| Bigfoot Weeps at the Folly. |
This gate closure on the lower road at Hwy. 96 did not stop the guys from FINDBIGFOOT-FACEBOOK, however. On our last trip up there with the full Bluff Creek Film Site Project crew we saw those guys parked at the bottom of the Fish Lake Road in this vehicle that looked much larger than a Greyhound bus. They managed to get the gate opened by a ranger, and quite foolishly drove their gigantic RV monstrosity up the untried and winter-altered roads.
Long-time Bigfooters will recall that it was just such an error that nearly brought researcher Daniel Perez to a fiery demise. Perez' motor home rolled into a rigid road rut, and was grooved right along to the edge and hurtled down the embankment on a ridge on the now-closed 12N10. The RV caught fire before Perez could rescue either his research materials, computer, or some warm clothes. He had to huddle by the mini-forest fire for warmth all night in shorts and a t-shirt, moving along as the fire progressed.
You'd think FBF-FBK would have learned and "confirmed" on stupid before making the decision to attempt this trip. Factual errors abounded on this trip for them, too, including that they thought they were a mere few miles from the film site when they were about 20 miles away. They went up the southern end Bluff Creek Road and, it would seem, they stopped at the first closed gate some mere 10 miles in, and camped by the roadside. They also made a claim that no one can really get into the PGF site but for two months a year, though it can be accessed normal years from June to October. They also assumed that no one could have carried an ape suit in there to hoax a film, but it is well known that Patterson and Gimlin got in there with loaded packs and a packhorse (though not, we think, an ape suit). Oh well Bigfoot-Facebook, try again.
Proving again that if one is determined, and psychologically-prepped, to see Bigfoot everywhere, FBF-FBK, in the process of trying to make a DVD film with an Australian production crew indeed "confirmed" that even bears and hippie fire rings can be Bigfoot-related. Assisted by the, um, "imaginative" Bigfooter, Freeman Young, from the north Bay Area, they indeed found a "ceremonial center" or "meeting place" of Bigfoot, along with "concentric stick structures." As evidenced by their postings, as well as the blog of one of their filmmaking collaborators, they mistook what were obvious human-constructed remains along the side of the road for some kind of mystical Bigfoot artifact. While driving up there they thought they saw a grizzly bear, even though those have been extinct in the state of California for nearly a century now. While eating spicy microwaved chicken wings in their RV they felt something scratching on the door and even shaking the vehicle. The assumption, of course, was that it was Bigfoot; but couldn't any one of them have thought that it might be that very same hungry black bear that they saw earlier? Or, maybe, they could have opened the door to say "Hi" to Bigfoot? Well, we'll have to wait until their DVD (or not) for the, um, ah, let us say, "startling," evidence.
While we were up there at the same time we did not see a single sign of anything remotely Bigfoot-related. Despite, or rather, we should say, because of having a forest ranger, a graduated M.S.-holding zoologist (specializing in avian biology), a science teacher, and yours truly (whatever "I" am), we simply found the usual signs of nature and its animals in action. Yes, stick breaks and "formations" do occur due to winter weather's actions upon trees. Yes, bears can and do make footprints that look "human," and large ones at that. Yes, owls can and do sound a bit like crazed apes in the night when they are having territorial battles. This latter we experienced while camping in the freezing cold up at Twin Lakes, just a few air miles away from the FBF-FBK crew. The war between a spotted and a barred owl for the prime lakeside turf started out owl-like enough at first, but by the second hour it really had escalated to the point where the untrained ear entering at that point might have heard crazed apes (Sasquatch) quarreling out in the woods. We, though, simply KNEW they were owls. It was undeniable. But with Squatch on the Brain, we suppose, anything is possible. Sigh.
See the bottom of this blog entry for more details on how skewed and bizarre the Bluff Creek "findings" of these blobsquatchers.
Here, then, are some photos from that trip. Stay tuned, below, for Travis' exciting trip and possible footprint find.
After the Twin Lakes frozen night, which included some fun night-vision squatching night walks, the icicles awoke and headed up toward Cedar Camp. There was a large snow bank blocking the road just a few miles up from the lakes. We had to turn back and head north to try the G-O Road. This, too, proved futile; but a brave Ranger Robert Leiterman continued on using snow shoes. He found many bear tracks, and made it up to the ridge above the Bluff Creek basin. Here are a few of his pictures.
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| Daniel Perez, 2007 Conference, Willow Creek. Photo S. Streufert |
You'd think FBF-FBK would have learned and "confirmed" on stupid before making the decision to attempt this trip. Factual errors abounded on this trip for them, too, including that they thought they were a mere few miles from the film site when they were about 20 miles away. They went up the southern end Bluff Creek Road and, it would seem, they stopped at the first closed gate some mere 10 miles in, and camped by the roadside. They also made a claim that no one can really get into the PGF site but for two months a year, though it can be accessed normal years from June to October. They also assumed that no one could have carried an ape suit in there to hoax a film, but it is well known that Patterson and Gimlin got in there with loaded packs and a packhorse (though not, we think, an ape suit). Oh well Bigfoot-Facebook, try again.
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| The 12N10 just up from Louse Camp, 2010. Closed shortly after the Perez RV accident, this Bluff Creek road now bears this "official" memorial sign. |
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| Twin Lakes in a tranquil moment. Captured by Robert Leiterman. |
See the bottom of this blog entry for more details on how skewed and bizarre the Bluff Creek "findings" of these blobsquatchers.
Here, then, are some photos from that trip. Stay tuned, below, for Travis' exciting trip and possible footprint find.
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| Twin Lakes, where the owls sound like wild ape-men. Photo by Steven Streufert |
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| Bigfoot Creek, as seen from across the ridge above Twin Lakes near Cedar Camp. Photo by Steven Streufert |
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| The Squatchy woods on the shores of Twin Lakes, near where a bear stalked up on us last year, and looked for all get-out like a Squatch in the night vision monocular. Photo by S. Streufert. |
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| Dead End on the G-O Road, at mile marker 15. Getting 4WD squirelly. Photo by Steven Streufert |
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| Robert Leiterman proceeds toward the PGF site, on snowshoes... Intrepid adventurer, the rest of us heading to the warmer Klamath side. Photo by Steven Streufert. |
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| The Bluff Creek Film Site Project members, acting cool despite the humiliating agony of defeat by snow, and the goofy camouflage garb. Photo by N.M.. |
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| Looking east at about 4,000 feet, toward the Trinity Alps and the Marble Mountain Wilderness. Eye level to snowline. Photo by S. Streufert. |
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| Textured topo map showing Bluff Creek and the PGF site. Photo by Steven Streufert Big, convoluted hills! |
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| Robert with the G-O Road "official" Bigfoot Lives sign. |
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| Late May to early June snow on the upper Bluff Creek ridge. |
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| The view down into the Bluff Creek basin to the west from 12N12. The PGF site is down in the far gulch past the clear cut in the left distance. |
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| Photos above courtesy of Robert Leiterman. Here he is seen at the ridge above the Bluff Creek headwaters, on 12N12. |
Daunted by the snow, and tired of being frozen the members of the Project not inclined, like Robert Leiterman, to snowshoe it in to the FR 12N12 junction, where one may view down into the Bluff Creek headwaters, headed down to the lower end of Bluff Creek. There we investigated the old BLUFF CREEK ROAD. This is the decommissioned lower end of the road that Jerry Crew built. It is also most likely the road that Patterson and Gimlin used to get in to the upper Bluff Creek basin where they captured their famous film in 1967. More on this in our next blog post. This section of the road may be accessed easily right off the end of the defunct campground at the southern side of the bridge... just hop the berm at the end and head uphill. For now, here are a few photos of that...
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| The decommissioned old Bluff Creek Road, down near the Klamath bridge. This is the road Jerry Crew built. Photos below by Steven Streufert |
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| Heading up the old Bluff Creek Road. Hot summer weather down here. |
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| Bluff Creek cuts deep in the gorge above the Klamath, carved out in great part by the 1964 flood, which destroyed the original bridge. Photo by Steven Streufert |
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| Highway 96 seen from high above on the old Bluff Creek Road. Photo by Steven Streufert |
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| The Bluff Creek Bridge at the Klamath, seen from above. Photo by Steven Streufert |
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GUEST BLOGGER: Author, Thespian and Paranormalist, TRAVIS MCHENRY.
(Go to www.travismchenry.com to see his vast body of works and activities, as well as his Biography.)
The following is Travis' account of his travels to Willow Creek and his attempt to access the Bluff Creek PGF site. In the midst of his travels and travails he had time to visit yours truly at Bigfoot Books. He also found a couple of possible Bigfoot tracks. Read onward...
When I was planning my summer vacation six months ago in January, I had spent most of my winter break from college watching the last three seasons of X-Files on Netflix; and since I had already visited Area 51 and Roswell, I decided it was high time I made the trek eleven hours north to the Mecca of Sasquatchery: The Bluff Creek Film Site. Bigfoot aside, my wife Cathryn was eager for the opportunity to escape work and go camping for a few days, so we chose the first week in June as the date of our launch into the fabled land of Patterson and Gimlin.
(Go to www.travismchenry.com to see his vast body of works and activities, as well as his Biography.)
The following is Travis' account of his travels to Willow Creek and his attempt to access the Bluff Creek PGF site. In the midst of his travels and travails he had time to visit yours truly at Bigfoot Books. He also found a couple of possible Bigfoot tracks. Read onward...
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| Travis McHenry with Steven Streufert at Bigfoot Books. Photos below courtesy of Travis and Cathryn McHenry. |
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| Travis poses with the Early Bird Restaurant Bigfoot mural. |
On May 30th, we had a long drive from visiting a friend in Carson City , Nevada , so our first night was spent camping at the Junction City campground about an hour east of Willow Creek. It was close enough to Bigfoot Country for my taste, and practically deserted, so we had the place to ourselves. Junction City campground is quiet, woodsy, and primitive—the perfect location for an encounter with mysterious wilderness beasts. Unfortunately, it’s also overrun with poison-oak, so if you end up staying there, be careful and keep your legs covered!
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| McHenry chows on a Bigfoot Burger in its foot-shaped bun. |
Halfway through the night, the rain that would plague the remainder of our expedition began falling hard against our tent, providing us with a noisy wake-up call. I was so tired from driving the previous day that I slept much longer than I anticipated and we didn’t break camp until around noon , when we drove onward to the humble hamlet of Willow Creek. Taking a tip from fellow Bigfooter Eric Altman of the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society, we decided to make Bigfoot Books our first stop in anticipation of getting some useful information and friendly conversation from the owner (and publisher of this blog) Steven Streufert.
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| A large house-like building full of books to the rafters. |
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| The shot-up Bluff Creek sign at the confluence with the Klamath River. |
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| An enchanted drive up Slate Creek Road. |
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| Cryptosnowzoologist? |
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| A typical Bluff Creek moment--digging out the car from the snow. |
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| Camp McHenry, high up on the Mountain. |
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| Aikens Creek Campground, main area. |
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| Abandoned area at Aiken's Creek Campground, one view. |
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| Abandoned area at Aiken's Creek Campground, another view |
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| "Area at Aiken's Creek where I found a possible track." |
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| Bigfoot track??? |
There was a nearly perfect “footprint” about 18-inches long about two inches into the dirt. There were a lot of pine needles on the ground, so the track didn’t have many discernable features, but I could make out what looked like impressions of individual toes. I eventually came back to the spot with Cathryn, and we took a bunch of pictures using a tube of chapstick for scale, but there wasn’t much contrast with the surrounding ground because of all the pine needles, so the pictures didn’t come out as clearly as I would have liked. There was a second “track” about six feet away going in the direction of the river, but that one wasn’t very clear.
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| "Checking out the possible Bigfoot track." |
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| On the Klamath River |
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| The Klamath River near Aiken's Creek |
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| Willow Creek-China Flat Museum, with Bigfoot Collection wing. |
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| Hamming it up with Patty, inside the Bigfoot Collection. |
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| "Headed up the G-O Road toward the Patterson Film site." |
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| Snow on the G-O. |
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| "Bear track on top, my track on bottom. 11 1/2 inches!!!" |
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| Pilgrimage toward the PGF Mecca. Wrong season though. |
During the walk back to the car, we took a nice, leisurely two hour stroll and enjoyed exploring the surrounding forest until the sun went down. Living in southern California for the past three years has made me miss the trees of my native Pennsylvania , and being up there in Bigfoot Country conjured fond reminders of back home.
After the trip up the G.O. Road was over, we realized that because of the foul weather, camping out wasn’t going to be much fun, and there was no chance of us reaching the Patterson Film Site until the snow melted; so we decided to pack up the Kia and after dropping by Bigfoot Books for one last farewell to Steve, we headed south to San Francisco to spend a day exploring the ghost hunting Mecca that is Alcatraz Island.
But that, my friends, is another story…

If you are interested one of the Aussie Film-makers has a Blog of his experiences making the FBFB movie. http://matthewsharp.tumblr.com

Bigfoot's bLog, from Bigfoot Books, Willow Creek
One of the Aussie film crew following FindBigfoot-Facebook around describes their visit to the Bluff Creek area. Full of glaring errors, this is still an interesting travelogue, complete with "grizzly bear" sighting, a hungry bear bumping and scratching their RV dangerously placed on an old logging road, misconceptions about the film site location, claims that the Bluff Creek region has never been logged, etc.
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| Travis, at Bigfoot Books, Willow Creek, posing with his book, INTO THE ABYSS. Photo by that Streufert guy. |
THANKS, TRAVIS, FOR WRITING THIS!
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FBf-FBk, the dialogue, the misery, the pareidolia....![]() |
| And to Cathryn McHenry, who took a number of the above photos. |

If you are interested one of the Aussie Film-makers has a Blog of his experiences making the FBFB movie. http://matthewsharp.tumblr.com /

Bigfoot's bLog, from Bigfoot Books, Willow Creek
One of the Aussie film crew following FindBigfoot-Facebook around describes their visit to the Bluff Creek area. Full of glaring errors, this is still an interesting travelogue, complete with "grizzly bear" sighting, a hungry bear bumping and scratching their RV dangerously placed on an old logging road, misconceptions about the film site location, claims that the Bluff Creek region has never been logged, etc.

Bigfoot's bLog, from Bigfoot Books, Willow Creek
They were at the lower end of the creek, some 30 miles from the film site. There are no grizzly bears there, but lots of black bears that would love to shake an RV that smells like chicken wings. Also, the forest throughout has been extensively logged, leaving only small patches here and there of remnant old-growth. How far up the Bluff Creek-Fish Lake road did you guys get? We found snow blockages on the upper roads about 15 miles in, and we were up there the same days theywere, coincidentally. Too bad we didn't know you'd be there... we saw their gigantic RV parked at the road gate near the Bluff Creek Resort as we drove past.
What they said:
What can be learned from Bluff Creek? Getting back there in the off season is no easy task. Anyone that thinks that Patterson and Gimlin brought a gorilla suit on horseback in OCTOBER of '67 is completely delusional. Don't even waste your time dealing with them. Have them just try to get back there on 10 of '12 and then talk.
What we said:

Steven Streufert I was there at the film site when the National Geographic helicopter landed. They seemed quite peeved when we strolled up from the woods and told them we had just DRIVEN in there in an SUV without even using the 4WD. Plus, they were not even on the proper film site. Oh well, it made for good TV footage.
May 25 at 10:23am · · 2 people
Steven Streufert
It's easy to get there in October, unless it has been raining and snowing heavily. Up until last summer you could drive right down to the film site area. In 1967 it was a fairly easy horseback ride of just under three miles, going along a dirt logging road plow that had been utilized for post-1964 Flood salvage logging and hence maintained up to 1966. This argument holds no water; but still, Bob Heironimus' route description comes nowhere near the true filming site. He was never there, obviously.
May 25 at 10:33am

Steven Streufert
Bob Heironimus' route description will take one to Martin's Ferry Bridge, maybe Fish Lake, still some 25-35 miles from the Bluff Creek P-G film site. Now, who is the hoaxer? It's a drive over rugged dirt mountain roads, one that no one could possibly forget. It would have taken at least an hour, and then he would have had to go three miles up the creekbed from the nearest forest service road. It was nothing like the three miles, five miles easy drive that he describes, then or now. Bob H. is in a monkey suit, for sure, but not in the PGF.
May 25 at 2:17pm

Steven Streufert
@Mike Williams--if you had ever driven that route you would NEVER forget it. That terrain is not only quite dramatically beautiful, but you FEEL every mile of pothole-ridden, rain-riven, narrow, dusty, bumpy, boulder-strewn road, all while hanging on for your life much of the time as you proceed along near-vertical slope drop-offs to deep chasms below. Bob H. describes a casual and easy, very short drive from his supposed meet-up with Patterson and Gimlin. His story is simply absurd in this regard. He was NEVER there, I repeat, NEVER was he at the real film site, a site that was located and verified with certainty after the filming. If he could forget that route he would probably also forget his own first and last names.
May 25 at 8:52pm · · 1 person
Steven Streufert October in Bluff Creek is NOT the "off-season." It is generally warm and sunny in our area. It is often a very nice "Indian Summer" kind of weather during that month around here. It gets cold at night, and generally the rainy season starts at the very end of October, into November.
May 25 at 9:10pm
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ANGRY BIGFOOT SPEAKS!
ANGRY BIGFOOT SPEAKS!
Me just say UGH!
Me say ha! me send bear and hippie to fool Facebook Bigfoot hunter. Me steal their hot spicy chicken wing. Me also lock gate so they no can get out of Bluff Creek. Me laugh so hard it make a blob on their camera and infrasound make white-out. What me say? Me no waste time make stick form like hippie on LSD do. Me no need that. Me already travel in other dimension.
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