Introduction to THE BLUFF CREEK FILM SITE PROJECT; Leiterman's Mission Statement; BIGFOOT BOOKS Now on YouTube

BIGFOOT'S BLOG, Late-October--Ooops!--Wait, NO! ...Mid-May 2011 Edition.

NOTE: THIS IS AN OLD BLOG POST WE NEVER GOT AROUND TO FINISHING. 

THE BLUFF CREEK FILM SITE PROJECT STUFF JUST OVERWHELMED IT SOMEHOW.  As the summer and the re-opening of the Bluff Creek roads are rapidly approaching, we're just going to give you this piece now as it is, unfinished. It covers the early stages of and introduction to the Project.
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ANNOUNCEMENT:

The Bluff Creek Film Site Project's videos may be viewed on the NEW BIGFOOT BOOKS' YouTube Channel, or on the BFRO-Videos account.

Go to Bigfoot Books on YouTube!
Currently featuring the audio of our Al Hodgson Interview, in progress.
You'll also find some cool PGF clips and a
walking tour of Willow Creek BIGFOOT iconography and kitsch.
http://www.youtube.com/user/bigfootbooks

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THE FOLLOWING WAS WRITTEN BACK IN OCTOBER...

As you may have noticed by the two previous posts, we're finally getting all of these Bluff Creek ducks in a row. Yes, we admit it, too--we have betrayed you all (a little bit) by leaking information first and generally spending way more time than we'd have liked for a while on the BFF (Bigfoot Forums)... read our posts/threads there: EXPLORING BLUFF CREEK BIGFOOT HISTORY and WHERE IS THE PATTERSON-GIMLIN FILM SITE?  (We've posted a lot more extended information up there, so go look into it.) We also got drawn into one of Kitakaze's threads... apologies all around. The good news in all of this is that we have a tremendous amount of unpublished and quite fascinating material coming up for you, and soon, we hope. Bear with us--this post is just the first in a series on what we have investigated and discovered. See our two previous Preliminary Information posts for info. on the background to our Bluff Creek travels.

"There can only be one Film Site."

--Robert Leiterman

Lonesome Ridge, Bluff Creek, centered near the PGF site.

During the summer now passed we were up in the Bluff Creek basin many a time. In mid-September and early October we focussed upon locating the exact spot (to the best of our ability) of the Patterson-Gimlin film site. It may come as a surprise to some, but the site is not absolutely established any longer. The exact location and track-way WERE once known, and it was repeatedly documented by researchers such as Bob Titmus, Jim McClarin, John Green, Rene Dahinden and Peter Byrne, among others including many locals and those working up there on logging and road building crews. There is no doubt about that, as can be seen in the most notable film site photos from the early days. However, in the years since the site was studied most closely, it seems to have been lost to time, buried in dense overgrowth of alders and maples, and at least partially eroded away by landslides and creek flows. We were shocked at first to find out that there were several different locations being pointed to, by the old-time researchers and the internet Google-earthers. We found five different, but mostly very close, locations and a wide array of divergent GPS readings. Not all of them could be true and accurate. Read on, and you will see our process of "rediscovery." So as not to be redundant, we refer you to our many previous blog posts on Bluff Creek and the PGF site--just type those terms into the "Search This Blog" box to the upper left if you're interested. From here in this entry we will assume a certain basic familiarity with the site and the events that happened there. We do NOT question the validity of the PGF and its subject here; we are going on the presumption and evidence, as well as the gut feeling, that it IS REAL.

Photos by Steven Streufert, or video captures from Robert Leiterman's video (black borders or with text in image). All others are historical or maps for reference.

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 Perhaps a little personal research history is in order here, briefly. Sometime around the year 2001 we first went camping up in the Bluff Creek basin. Being there at historic Louse Camp brought back the old childhood memories of reading the Bigfoot books at the public library, of having seen the P-G Film sometime around age 10 or 11, and being fascinated with the possibility of such a creature existing. At the time of that trip we had in our possession John Green's On the Track of Sasquatch, and we vaguely decided to try to find the site of the film. Well, it wasn't easy. After trying to hike up the creek we made it maybe a mile and a half, but found only one promising sandbar that didn't seem to come close enough to the mark on Green's map. It was all rather vague, as that mark was on a map without a scale close-up enough to see real detail. We prowled the old, now-closed forest roads along the west side of the creek. We tried hiking down to the creek, only to find ourselves stuck at huge log piles and near-vertical cliffs. We didn't make it up there after the 2003 Willow Creek International Bigfoot Symposium; but then we were a bit glad we didn't pay the $75.00 to go. The group had gotten there, with luminaries such as Green, Bob Gimlin, Al Hodgson, Daniel Perez, Christopher Murphy, Matt Moneymaker, Autumn Williams, Jim McClarin, and many more; and still they could not all agree on where the site of the exact track-way was. This problematic situation was documented in the Doug Hajicek TV show, Mysterious Encounters.The site had changed so much that those who had been there back in the day could hardly even recognize the general area, let alone the actual site of the sighting and film. We are told that even  Bob Gimlin, who was there that day of October 20th, 1967, could not recognize the place at first, and was taking cues from Perez as to its location.

A file photo from 2007, Steve at Bluff Creek.
(Photo by Scott McClean)

 When at last we finally met up with the folks at the 40th Anniversary PGF Celebration, again in Willow Creek, we had been reading more avidly, and had better ideas of where the film site was. Based on advice from James "Bobo" Fay and Cliff Barackman, we headed on down to the site led by Tom Yamarone, with Scott McClean. So there we were, at the bottom of two miles of steep, nasty bushwhack driving, standing down at the creek-level landing, finally at the claimed area of the film site, and then it struck us, looking around at the unfamiliar territory--no one could take us right to the spot and prove it to be the spot. It turrned out that we did make it to the basic area most agree is the right one, but the sense of lingering doubt persisted as we gazed upon a vastly altered and unfamiliar landscape. Nothing looked the same, and no one could give exact directions. Some even think it is downstream, we were told by Yamarone. It became a bit of an obsession with us to discover the truth, especially as it is precisely uncertainties like this regarding the PGF that are exploited by the debunkers as supposed proof of a hoax.

The Crucial Transitional
Guidebook, by Daniel Perez

 In the three years following that conference, we've spent an inordinate amount of time trying to ascertain the history not only of Patterson and Gimlin's time spent in the area, but also the Bigfooting, logging and road-building history of the area. Much of this history seems to be lost to time. Other aspects of it seem vague or contradictory in the memories of many locals who worked up there and many Bigfooters who had been there over the time since the late 1950s when the area became famous for its hairy-hominoidal activities. Though stories were recalled, the exact locations of those events seemed either lost or poorly recalled. This a fact of human memory. So concerned were all involved with viewing the creature in the film, that many neglected to remember the site itself. It was once known well, and was visited and documented regularly by Rene Dahinden, the Swiss-Canadian who perhaps knew the film and its history best. But with the passing of Rene we were left with stories, old photos, an arrow on a topo map in Daniel Perez' Bigfoot at Bluff Creek, but apparently no one who could walk to the site and with absolute confidence put their foot down where Patty had walked. However, many claimed to know, without proof. We are lucky that Dahinden marked the map for Perez, and that Daniel was assiduous enough to preserve and publish it, or we might have lost the site forever.

The Crew at Louse Camp. Yours Truly, "C.I." and Robert Leiterman,
ready to get rained upon.

It was frustrating, surely; but studying this history put us in touch with a good portion of the major Bigfoot researchers who were involved with the Bluff Creek site itself, including most of the aforementioned figures and some newer contacts such as Peter Byrne and Jim McClarin. Armed with their statements and advice, we felt prepared to try a series of expeditions to the mysterious creek basin to find out the truth. It was going to take a lot of Sherlocking, however, as we found with our research associate since 2009, "C.I." (name to be kept anonymous), when interviewing Mr. Hodgson and trying to dig the nuggets of certainty we'd need from the Bigfoot literature... it just wasn't there in a complete form. Maps, logging plans, contemporary roads, dates and other pertinent details were obfuscated by time. 

Various Site Locations, as per various researchers.
Sites identified by Steven Streufert via inquiries. Click to Enlarge!

The history was fragmented, often conflicted, even sometimes intentionally hidden by certain researchers. Luckily, we got involved with CA State forest ranger Robert Leiterman (BFRO), of Fortuna, CA, who was making field videos for the BFRO YouTube site. A project was conceived between the three of us and, we feel, has nearly been completed. We are on the verge of proving tthings... but the full elaboration of that will have to wait for future installments and an early spring day when the site may be photographed without obscuring deciduous tree leaves. We've made what we think are major and fascinating discoveries and conclusions which we feel are pretty darn close to absolutely proving the true and exact location of the film site and track-way, otherwise cloaked in mystery and disagreement for these many years.

Topo map of route down to P-G Film site showing road closures and con-

struction spots. The spur down stems from FR 12N13. Click to Enlarge.

We decided something needed to be done. Before all of this was lost to time and fading memory, before all the old-timers were gone, we were determined to find the actual site and rule out the false ones, all while documenting it on video for presentation to the world of Bigfooting. For now, let us recount the first day and some preceding interviews. Part One of our first summer 2010 trip around the area has already been covered in travelogue form with maps and guides HERE, so check that out (there are plenty of links there covering our previous Bluff Creek trips). I'm going to skip part two of that for now in order to get started on this PGF site investigation series. 

Louse Camp, on Bluff and Notice Creeks

This current entry will cover our second trip, which was partly rained out, but still succeeded in producing many hours of footage to be used in YouTube presentations via the BFRO-Videos page there. See BELOW, where we will present certain supplemental material as APPENDICES. These include conversations with John Green and Peter Byrne, and some of the stuff we posted on the BFF (HERE, if you want to view the whole "Where is the Patterson-Gimlin Film Site" thread). Armed with all the known film site photos, topo maps, and extensive notes and books, C.I and I met in Willow Creek and readied ourselves to set off for the famous Louse Camp to meet Robert Leiterman, who had been up there already for a couple of days preceding us. Of course, right as C.I. arrived in our humble Bigfoot Capital of the World, it stated to rain in a light deluge. 

Pacific Northwest Expedition, 1959. Tom
Slick, Rene Dahinden, Bob Titmus, etc.

PART ONE: LOUSE CAMP TO THE BLUFF CREEK BRIDGE

Undaunted, but skeptical of our prospects, we headed up to the hills above the Klamath River. Louse Camp is located right in the heart of the Bluff Creek basin, and is famous for being the location of a myriad of Bigfooting expeditions, including the famous Pacific Northwest Expedition (1959) that had Green, Byrne, Dahinden, Bob Titmus and Tom Slick, it's financial backer, among its members.

Bluff Creek flowing behind Louse Camp,
refreshed by the influx of Notice Creek just above.

We were lucky to get up there without being trapped by the kind of meteorological attack from the skies that nearly stranded Patterson and Gimlin back in 1967. The rain became light and sporadic throughout the night. The next day was another matter. Leiterman had just returned from a long, exploratory hike up the creek to the film site area and back. We heard his tales of adventure over a sputtering camp fire. He told of having found the M.K. Davis-identified "film site," downstream some 500 yards from the "bat boxes" landing where nearly all others agree is the real area of the site. He said he found the site implausible on a number of counts, based upon our previous discussions. This aspect will be discussed more thoroughly in State Two of this blog's presentation. Suffice it to say, the MK site is way too wide to fit what is known about the P-G site, and the trees were too far back to be acceptable as the ones in the film.

Bluff Creek Bridge, up 1 mile from Louse Camp

The next day, our first order of business was to try to figure out exactly where Patterson and Gimlin had set up their Bluff Creek base camp before capturing the creature on film. It has been said and rumored for years that they camped "somewhere" above Notice Creek, which flows just up from Louse Camp. Al Hodgson, when asked about this, told CI and I that it was true, and that there was a ford across Bluff Creek, where one could cross and then head up the creek. He also spoke of the bridge over the creek, up from Louse Camp about a mile, which had not been there in 1967. Heading up from Louse we observed that the road quickly ascended up above the creek along the hillside, with radical steep descents down to the creek below. Tracing this idea all the way to the bridge we found the truth: this bridge was the ONLY place after Notice Creek where one could possibly have forded the creek. So, Patterson and Gimlin must have forded here, to the east side of the creek, and then headed up the creek to find a suitable camping spot. Indeed, we found clear evidence of the old road cuts under the bridge, on either side of the creek.

Wasson's source:
Rene Dahinden!

We knew from Barbara Wasson's book, Sasquatch Apparitions (pg. 68), that the following was the case, in this slightly grammatically ambiguous sentence:

"Bob Gimlin awoke [on October 20th, the day of the filming] one sunny day in their camp some one half miles or so north of where the bridge ABOVE Notice Creek crosses Bluff Creek." 

Deciphering that sentence we knew it could not be referring to the Notice Creek Bridge, but rather this one. The bridge ON Notice Creek does not CROSS Bluff Creek, but rather Notice Creek. So, we took it that the bridge ABOVE Notice Creek HAD to be the one that is one mile north of Louse Camp. Confirming this, and comparing it with Robert Leiterman's GPS reading from the previous day we found that the half mile up Wasson mentions, combined with the 2.5 miles up from their camp to the film site generally mentioned by Bob Gimlin, made a perfect match with Robert's apprx. 3 mile result. Hence, they could not have camped at the Louse Camp area--that would have made it a nearly 4 mile ride.

Under Bluff Creek Bridge, showing old road cut and ford to opposite side.

Down under the bridge we could clearly see the old ford's road cuts on either side of the creek, with an old roadbed heading up the east side of the creek, then fording across up a little bit to the west side. Already we knew that the road was just as we suspected: a winding logging access-4WD track that crossed the creek where needed, not the clean road cut up all the way on the east creek side as has been commonly assumed. The bed of the creek is just not wide enough to accommodate the latter, and it often cuts up against steep, hard rock faces. It is shallow enough most of the year, though, to allow for a multitude of needed fords. Again, as Al Hodgson had told us, the old dirt and gravel road had been washed out in the massive 1964 flood, and had then been re-plowed upstream to allow for salvage logging in 1965 and 1966. Despite all of these years gone by, we could still see remnant signs of this road cut, as well as many sawed off tree stumps and root-balls in the creek's course. Since 1964 there has not been a comparable flood to alter the major features cut out by the one in 1964, which also constructed the famous PGF sandbar upstream. We noted these results, and planned to investigate up the creek once we had returned from our drive up to the PGF site. Our plan to hike up there this day had been dampened by the rain, now again lightly drizzling down. It was clear to us, however, even at this early point, that we were on the right track to finding the Patterson-Gimlin 1967 base camp. In our Stage Two trip we discovered what is almost certainly the right site. More on that next time, though.

Lovely misty view down to Scorpion Creek,
from about 2/3 mile up from the site.

PART TWO: UP TO THE RIDGE, DOWN TO THE FILM SITE AREA

Warning sign of things to come on 12N13H.

Heading up Forest Road 12N13 from the bridge, up to the top of the ridge where it meets with the "H" spur road, we expected an easy ride down the recently cleared, trimmed and graded dirt road. However, the rain gave us concern... that dirt could easily turn to mud. Sure enough, it did. We found that the formerly nicely flat roadbed had been roughed up by tractor trails of some large, heavy equipment. Down the way just over a mile the road got worse and worse until it became a muddy slurry and mess in places. We had to stop, park the truck, and walk on down, a distance we knew would be about a mile through the muck, and a deadly slog back on up, too. Walking down the road, though, provided us with a slow-motion way to view down into the creek basin above the site and from the east heading down. This was, later, to give us the real, best clue we needed to locate the true site.

Once a rock slide, always a rock slide.

One bit of good news (temporary, see latest developments in State Two) was the plowing through done on the infamous rock slide. This slide has notoriously been the bane of PGF site visitors, especially those without high-clearance four-wheel drive vehicles. Last summer this was the spot of the near-death experience of Craig Woolheater and Sharon Lee (see our previous posts on the Believe-It Tour visit), as their rental van got stuck spinning its wheels after a photo-op and nearly slid off the side into the precipitous near-vertical drop down to the creek.

You Shall Not Pass. Robert at the
end of the PGF road's line.

Now, to die on the P-G film site may seem a glorious way to go, but we assure you no one feels that way as the wheels slip and slide on those jagged Bluff Creek rocks, and the world slips gut-wrenchingly sideways. Anyway, for this one moment, we thought the problem was solved; but as we found out later, the US Forest Service had a decidedly different idea.

Leiterman considers the impact of
man upon nature and geology.

Down the road a bit we found the culprits of this mayhem--two tractors, a bulldozer and a huge Caterpillar. They dozer was actually parked IN the road, blocking it entirely for any prospective intrepid motorists. From here on down it would be on foot for everyone. Down farther, in the formerly marshy bog formed by a culvert-diverted creek that flows down into the film site area's gulch, we found they had torn out the culvert and torn the hell out of the spot.It was not clear to us what they were up to, but it appeared at this time that they were simply upgrading and replacing the culvert. Little did we know! But more on that later, too.

Once the road crossed here; now it
is returned to its natural state.

After the creek one descends down to the old landing where the "bat boxes" are. This used to be the easy park-and-camp option for PGF site pilgrims--no longer, unless you pack it in. This is where Peter Byrne said to look in my recent email correspondence with him (see Appendix B below for full discourse). The rain increased, saturating us and our gear. You'll note a fogginess enters the photographs here as my camera got wet. Darnit, so did my tobacco. Anyway, here at the bottom we were at our first on our list of prospective film site locations--and it really seemed almost too convenient, here where one could once just get out of the car and gaze at Bigfooting Mecca.

The toppled science experiment's bat
houses lay beneath these trees.

SITE ONE: THE PETER BYRNE SITE:

The Famous "Bat Boxes," across from the claimed
Peter Byrne film site.

In preparation for this expedition I had sent out email inquiries to many of the major first generation players in Bigfooting still living. We received a very cordial response from both John Green and Peter Byrne. John Green, who said he had only been to the site twice, in 1968 and in 2003, stated that when he was last there he could not even recognize the place, and could not spot the "Big Tree" seen so prominently in the film. So, despite the fact that the place was clearly well known and documented at the time, it was lost to at least one of its major researchers. Hence, we had high hopes in hearing what Mr. Byrne had to say. He'd been there many times, though not as many as the late Rene Dahinden.

Watch for the full series featuring our expedition on the
BFRO-Videos site on YouTube, or through BFRO.net.

Brief Summary:
Laser reading 97-98 yards across south to north, 100 yards in bat box camping area.
Trees that match Byrne's distance are way too high up the bank.
The creek is on the north side of the sandbar, not the south.
Though the area's dimensions match almost enough to the known film site (using a shoe horn to fit it, as C.I. likes to say), the creek and sand bar are in the wrong places, there is no "big bend," no "rootballs," and no level bank or sandbar at all where Byrne indicates.

Photos with black borders or titles are screen captures
from Robert Leiterman's first edit video results.

We found the tree described obviously by Byrne, pockmarked somewhat unusually with woodpecker holes, but it was at most 100 feet, not 100 yards across: too close; and the stumps he described are right next to it, not at the greater distance measured by Dahinden.  To reach up to the larger trees on the hill above the creek and sandbar would have had to have been some 30 or 40 feet higher--just not plausible, and exceeding the already high level of subsidence mentioned by Byrne in his email. The creek is in an old, established bed, at the lowest point of flow, and there is no indication of any major event that could have changed this geological fact.

The 300 feet or so needed to fit the film site in is here, but the creek would have had to have flowed way up against the south edge of the bat boxes landing, an area that is significantly raised up from where the creek is flowing.

SITE TWO: THE CHRISTOPHER MURPHY SITE

The site is still too narrow, if we assume that the big tree here is one of the ones in the film. The creature would have had to start its walk down in the narrow gulch seen to the left. There is no "big bend" in the creek below that site either. In fact, the bend with rootballs is seen ABOVE the site located in Murphy's book, followed by a straight line in the creek headed west and downstream.

Lower Gulch below the Big Bend. For Murphy's site to
work the first sighting would have to have been in here.

In this narrow part of the creek there ARE a lot of big old firs that have fallen down across the creek due to erosion and rock slides on the north bank. However, if these were the trees in the film, as proposed by the Murphy site location, they are simply too close to the creek to allow for the big sand bar seen in the PGF. Also, there is no logical way the creek could have flowed some 200 feet or so to the south, as that direction features and upgrade and the start of some low hills. A creek cannot flow up on a higher course if there is an unobstructed lower course it can access.

C.I. using his trusty laser sight to measure the dimensions
of the proposed Christopher Murphy film site location.

Laser readings 55 yards from creek to back trees, some 60 yards to the trees on the south bank. Again, this site fits "with a shoehorn," but the creek is way too far to the north, and there is no room at all for any of the known features of the old sandbar, the big bend or the root balls described by Gimlin. The big trees identified with this site are high up on the bank at least 20 feet up the hill--way too high, even allowing for sandbar subsidence. Most crucially, there is no hill going up high enough on the south bank, and yet close enough to the site, to allow for the angle of view seen in the 1971 Rene Dahinden photo which we used constantly for comparison on these trips.

Clip from Murphy's book, showing
where he thinks the site is supposedly located. In
actual fact, this is WAY off from Dahinden's mark.

There IS one big tree behind this spot, as can be seen on this blog (picture link HERE), but this tree is way too close to the fairly narrow sand bar at the bottom of the big bend that centers around a small feeder creek that flows down into Bluff at this point. It sits down on the sand bar near the current creek's bank, but there just isn't enough room to place this as the main "big tree" in the film. This spot, by the way, is where the National Geographic filming team landed their helicopter in 2009 to film and scan the site. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be the right location, and we tried to tell them that when we were down there then, to no avail. On this year's trip we even found their flagging tape wrapped around a rock, still there right in the creekbed, despite a whole winter's raised water.

Christopher Murphy's exploration of the film site he proposes, done in 2003, can be looked at here on Hancock House's site: FILM SITE ALBUM. We challenge you to compare his analysis, based on one visit, with the results we have come up with after some dozen visits.

See our videos on the BFROVideos site under "Uploads," as well as on THE BIGFOOT BOOKS YOUTUBE PAGE, under "Favorites." 

Watch for upcoming presentations to be done on this blog. "To Be Continued, Indeedy."

Steve, propounding again, upon the too-small dimensions
and missing features found on the Murphy site. Better than
Byrne's, but it lacks landmarks and proper orientation.

Above the Murphy site are found some big root balls, not
below the site, as Gimlin describes. No big trees in back either.

Pointing at Rene's Mark on the Map, upstream from the
Murphy site, for sure. Photo capture from Leiterman video.

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APPENDIX: STATEMENT OF ROBERT LEITERMAN ON THE BLUFF CREEK EXPEDITION MISSION
(As also sent to BIGFOOT TIMES' Daniel Perez, published in the October edition)

Leiterman, from his upcoming video release on our trip.

10-29-2010

Daniel,

Good talking with you on the phone yesterday. Thanks for getting back to me so soon. As you already know, I have been a subscriber to Bigfoot Times for several years now. My latest video project is on the Patterson/Gimlin Film Site entitled … Journey of Re-discovery- The Bluff Creek Film Site Project. I’ve been working mostly with Steven Streufert from Bigfoot Books (Willow Creek) and Ian from Northern CA over these last few months.  Our group’s motivations might be different but our goals are similar, relocating the film site 43 years later despite the environmental changes.

You have worked painstakingly hard over the last few years dealing with the film site subject matter. Your Bigfoot Times at Bluff Creek (1992) publication is excellent work, placing your self into a knowledgeable position on the subject. Despite your dedication and documentation there are a hand full of others, for whatever reasons, who still insist that the film site is either located above or below the area in which you have painstakingly established. I understand why you feel the way you do when you hear the echoes of doubt from a small minority vocalizing across the internet. I also realize that dumping even more documentation into their laps may not change their opinions either. With that said, the project I have taken on is a rediscover for my self, a journey for understanding. With the help of Steve and Ian, I’m video documenting the process. I feel the video footage will allow others with an interest in the subject, to join in with a discovery of their own.

As you know, there can only be one film site. While looking over the literature, interviewing those who were there, and examining what remains of the scene, we are looking forward to the outcome. The several days I have already spent with hunger and fatigue in the heat and rain: following what is left of the Bluff Creek Trail up the creek, pondering campsites, crisscrossing the alleged film site locations looking for the big trees, locations of old stumps, gravel bars (existing or not), deposits of alluvial sand, bends in the creek, woody debris, large root balls, and matching historic photos, has been an adventure in itself. And yes, I’m fully aware that 43 years have worked their magic. While I’m at it, I’m developing a better understanding of the historic event and the surrounding topography. I only wish I had started this journey years earlier.

 Despite all of my effort, some say I’m wasting my time, that the answers may never be found, erased forever by time, that there is nothing more to learn from rediscovering that moment. I disagree. Putting your self right there in the thick of it does something to you. To walk through the cool clear water, to hear the echoes in the creek canyon, to go back in time, to grab a hand full of alluvial sand and tell your partner … “Patty walked here!” To watch them grin ear to ear and nod their heads in agreement as they look curiously over their shoulders. And before you know it, you’ve taken one more step closer to imagining how Patterson and Gimlin must have felt that autumn day. For me, the bottom of the dark, forested canyon still has meaning. 

For those planning a journey of their own to the Bluff Creek Film Site be advised that the last mile or so of 12N13H has been permanently been put to bed. On the weekend of 09-18-2010 the road was freshly graded and the heavy equipment lay parked about. By the weekend of 10-09-2010, the heavy equipment was gone and the road had a new ending. With about a mile to the bottom, a enormous new earthen berm was there to greet us. The rest of what use to be the road had been out sloped, portions covered with trimmed vegetation to help protect the exposed soil from erosion, culverts were removed and the creeks reestablished back into their own channels. Give yourself more time for exploration. Avoid wet weather, the fresh graded soil turns quickly into mud. Be prepared to put in a little more effort to reach the film site. Think of it as a way of reconnecting.  Reaching the bottom will feel that much more rewarding … it’s the hike out that’s going to suck! ---Robert Leiterman

"Watch for Robert’s soon to be uploaded  Journey of Re-discovery- The Bluff Creek Film Site Project and his other video projects on the B.F.R.O.’s (Bigfoot Field Research Organization) video channel."

Some preliminary theories we've come up with, along with the
major proposed site locations and landmarks.

One Proposed Location. Photo aligned to creek, not quite to scale.
The cluster of trees in back, plus a downed tree on the sand bar, and
stumps in the right locations make this location promising. It looks
just about perfect as a match for the "aerial" Dahinden photo.
The first sighting would be just to left of the photo border.

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ANGRY BIGFOOT SPEAKS!

Me so very happy you hu-man looking in wrong creek for me! Like NABS Dave say, you not find me there anytime more. You look in Hoopa, you find me. That right! Me hang at Golden Bear Casino ever night, and you not know! JHa Ha Ho Ho! They have good food all night, and not ever question how furry me are, not how stinky, so long as me have token for machine. See? Dave right after all!!!
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AN INFORMAL INTERVIEW WITH JIM MCCLARIN, Early PGF Investigator and Bigfooting Icon; FRANCES HODGSON, R.I.P.

BIGFOOT'S BLOG, EARLY NOVEMBER, 2010 EDITION

Jim McClarin and Patty Bigfoot together for comparison.
Image generated by Bigfootproject.org from Green and Patterson's films.

AN INFORMAL INTERVIEW WITH JIM MCCLARIN, Early Bigfooter and Witness to the Patterson-Gimlin Film Site.

In the process of investigating the Patterson-Gimlin Film (PGF) and Bluff Creek history during our recent BLUFF CREEK FILM PROJECT (see future blog entries), we asked questions of many of the researchers in Bigfooting who had been there back in the early days. Some of these are our neighbors, like Al Hodgson and Jay Rowland. Others have been John Green, Peter Byrne, Daniel Perez, Larry Lund, Bill Miller, etc.. We also talked with current researchers such as Sean Fries, Cliff Barackman, James "Bobo" Fay, Tom Yamarone and many more. Some of these conversations will be presented in future blogs. Another whom we found contact with, via Facebook of all places, was Jim McClarin. We never expected to be able to get any word from him, as we'd heard he had permanently retired and distanced himself from Bigfooting since the 1970s. Luckily, this wasn't true, altogether; though the end-result interview is a little fragmentary due to his distance from the subject and those days long ago. We'll present the whole thing here as it is, hoping that any stray fragment of information just may come in handy for someone, as much of this did for us in our project. Many of our questions are strictly for Bigfoot nerds; but we're hoping you are as much of one as we are!

Statue guarding the Willow Creek Visitor
Center, carved by Jim McClarin in the late 60s.
Photo by Steven Streufert, 2008.

Who is Jim McClarin, you ask? Jim was a student here locally at Humboldt State University, back then in the mid-late 1960s. During that time he developed an interest in Bigfoot as he heard the stories from around here. He was among the few first viewers of the PGF in Yakima, WA, on October 22nd, 1967, having traveled up there with Rene Dahinden from Willow Creek. Soon after he was back down here and became one of the first, after such as Bob Titmus and Lyle Laverty, to visit the PGF site itself. He returned in summer, 1968, and was filmed by John Green in replication of the creature's walk. Jim published a newsletter for a while, now exceedingly rare, called MANIMALS, from 1972-1973 (see Daniel Perez' offering of them through the link above, with images HERE). He has since retired from Bigfooting, but was gracious enough to try to recall things from the foggy ruins of time and pick his memory for us in the discussion that follows. Some questions were somewhat inconclusively answered, but others brought forth details we had never heard before. Some of these details were greatly helpful to us as we tried to trace the remnants of the old dirt road that followed the creekside of Bluff Creek, and in earlier days allowed access not only for logging, but also for Roger and Bob when they were in Bluff Creek investigating before the captured "Patty" on film. Some questions, the reader will notice, were not answered. Jim had typed up a lengthy answer, but then dozed off at his laptop, and woke to find that movement while sleeping had deleted his reply--like so much in the history of Bigfooting, this information is apparently lost (like the second reel shot by Patterson on October 20th, 1967), at least for now. So far as we know he was last in the Willow Creek area in 2003, while attending as an honored guest as part of the "Pioneer Panel" at the Willow Creek International Bigfoot Symposium.

Jim McClarin depicted in John Green's replication of the PGF, on the
actual, known film site, 1968.

From SQUATCHOPEDIA:

"Jim McClarin began his bigfoot investigations in 1963 and served as a member of early expeditions from northern California to Alaska. McClarin is famous for carving the first bigfoot statue (located at the corner of Hwy's 96 & 299 at Willow Creek). He corresponded with Ivan T. Sanderson, Roger Patterson, John Green, and Rene Dahinden. He recounted some of his memories in 2003 as part of a panel discussion during the International Bigfoot Symposium held in Willow Creek, CA. For McClarin, the "fluidity of movement of the muscles, as well as the light reflecting off the hair" convinced him of the authenticity of the P/G footage. He and two others went to Bluff Creek to view the film site shortly after the film was shot and he was able to see tracks (in poor condition). A comparison movie of McClarin was shot walking along the trackway of "Patty."

2003 Willow Creek International Bigfoot Symposium. Jim McClarin is at
center, with reddish hair, next to Jeff Meldrum and John Bindernagel.
Photo by Steven Streufert. Also present: Henner Fahrenbach Kathy
Moskowitz, Rick Noll, Ed Patrick, John Green, Bob Gimlin, Alton Higgins,
Tom Steenburg, Al Hodgson and Dimitri Bayanov. 

Here is a good account of the WCK-BF-Symp., written by Paul Vella with help from Jerry Riedel
(even though they get some of the details about the PGF site location grievously wrongly):
BIGFOOT INFORMATION PROJECT: International Bigfoot Symposium
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INTERVIEW

BIGFOOT BOOKS: Steven Streufert September 12 at 4:53pm
(...whose icon is a chupacabras from hereon, as what follows is copied from our Facebook pages, and we just happened to be using that at the time--that is, however, not what we really look like.)

Hello Jim, John Green recommended I contact you. I run a used book shop in Willow Creek, and have been studying the history of Bluff Creek and Bigfoot.

I'm wondering if you could help us out with any indications as the the exact and proper location of the PGF site. Here's the questions I asked John Green and Peter Byrne. Perhaps you could fill in some of the blanks? I've been asking Todd Neiss about this, too, as he was there in the earlier 2000s with Byrne. I'm not sure when you were last on the site. I have topo maps I could send if you'd like.
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A few associates and I (BFRO guys, mostly) are going back yet again this coming weekend to Bluff Creek, our goal being to record and document a trip from Louse Camp to where we all think the PG film was filmed.

PGF Site topo map.

Could you tell me:
* when you were last there did you feel certain that you were on the right spot?
* if so, what signs did you see that would confirm it?
* was it upstream from the flat at the bat boxes? Or downstream, as MK Davis thinks it is?
* how far up? At the big gulch with the logjam and rootballs, or perhaps a bit farther? If down, how far?
* did you find the "big tree"?
* how far from the current creek position is it, and how much is left of it in a level state as seen in the old days?
* If I send you a close-up topo map could you put your X on it?

I've already asked this question of Perez, Barackman, and a traveling companion of MK, as well as many of the California BFRO guys. Al Hodgson feels that the site visited in 2003 is incorrect.

I feel that your perspective on these matters would be invaluable, especially as a new generation is moving in, and there are some wildly divergent opinions.
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Your reply before Friday would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Best regards, Steve
Bigfoot Books, Willow Creek

  Jim McClarin September 19 at 9:49am

Hi Steve,  My apologies. I thought I had responded but apparently I hadn't. You can send whatever you like although I'm not sure a topo map will enable me to pinpoint the film site. I certainly recall it being in a broad area of the creek bed, allegedly produced by a mudslide some years earlier, hence the dead trees.   Jim

  Steven Streufert September 19 at 3:03pm

Hello Jim, We're just back from the film site area. We are pretty darn sure that we have found the big trees in the back, and the site. However, it is really difficult to compare it in its overgrown state today to the way it was after the 1964 flood, as seen in the PGF from 1967.

I found Peter Byrne's location of the site to be utterly wrong. John Green couldn't really recall how to get to the site, and couldn't see the big tree from where they went in 2003. However, going by Rene Dahinden's mark on the map as seen in BIGFOOT AT BLUFF CREEK, we know (if that is reliable) the real location of the site. That spot is where we found the nice big trees in the back. However, there is still much disagreement on where the site is located. There is, to my observation being there many times, no way to make an exact match with the old photos. Too much has changed.

Here is one of my maps, as posted on Facebook:
PGF SITE MAP, TOPOGRAPHICAL
If you click "previous" or "next" on that screen you should see the next map, too. If you recall, it would be helpful to have your opinion as to the location. I am trying to contact all who were there at the earlier dates to see what they can say.

Thanks! I hope all is well with you.
http://bigfootbooksblog.blogspot.com/
Have you read my blog?

Best, Steve. Bigfoot Books

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A close-up view of the PGF Site on Bluff Creek. Can YOU place it? Where?

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  Jim McClarin September 19 at 3:59pm

Veni, vidi, sed non vici. I can't even tell you which flat it was in although I suspect the long one. I don't think I ever bothered to try to pinpoint it on a map before. If I had, I could probably do so again.

   Jim McClarin September 19 at 4:02pm

And no, I haven't read your blog. I rarely visit BF sites, maybe one per year or so. I don't mind being available for questions about my experience but I have not tried to follow the subject.

  Steven Streufert September 19 at 5:37pm

You did not conquer? Ah well. Mainly we are interested in any landmarks folks who were there might still recall, and the way they got to the film site. Did you walk up the creek, or access it from a road? Stuff like that. Also, just about ANY recollections of the time and your visits to the site or involvement with the film could help to fill in some gap in the history... and there are a LOT of such gaps. 

McClarin's statue, posing
with Rene Dahinden

Thanks for being around. Involved or not currently, you're a big part of Bigfoot history; and, living in Willow Creek, I really enjoy having your statue around. After all these years it is holding up really well, though there is some dry rot in the feet. Folks are always climbing around on it, and the birds, unfortunately, tend to do their business on it. It is an icon, for sure. Best, Steve

   Jim McClarin September 19 at 6:06pm

As I recall we were able to drive down to Roger and Bob's camp downstream from the site. When I went there in '67 after returning from BC and the showing of the film to the science gathering, we saw hay leavings where the horses had been kept as well as plenty of droppings and hoofprints along the way up to the film site. I think the film site may have been between 1/4 and 1/2 mile upstream from the camp. Coulda been further. I'm not certain but, since we went in a jeep, we may have 4-wheeled it in to the site. Tere was no mistaking the site since the prints were still quite visible, it matched the scenery from the film, and plaster bits remained from Bob Titmus casting a series of the tracks.

  Steven Streufert September 19 at 7:44pm

That's puzzling. There is a camp site right down from the film site, about a quarter of a mile, but Roger and Bob are supposed to have camped 2 or 2.5 miles downstream, according to various accounts. Barbara Wasson said the camp was a little ways north of the bridge over Bluff Creek, down near Louse Camp. Just yesterday we went there and found the only spot around where someone could camp, so we thought perhaps we'd found it. The problem is, all the books say so many different things. We're pretty sure of the site of the film, but it seems the controversy will never go away.

Wasn't there a dirt "road" all the way up the creek? It seems to me much of it would have to have gone right through the creek, or ford across it constantly as it winds back and forth against it's banks.
I'm sitting right next to your statue as I eat at the Mexican restaurant. Someone 1s taking pictures of it right now.

Steve

  Jim McClarin September 20 at 6:29am

OK, it's possible that they were not camped where I thought they had been camped. But where we saw hay leavings and piles of horse dung at the point where a dirt road led down to the creek bed was nowhere near 2 - 2.5 miles downstream of the film site. As I recall we drove right to the apparent camp site without any false leads so I must have had explicit directions from Roger or perhaps from Al Hodgson who Roger had talked to following their exit from Bluff Creek. I'm not sure if this was before or after their drive to the McKinleyville airport to ship the film back to Washington.

  Jim McClarin September 20 at 6:36am

I'm confused at this point as to whether they said they shipped the film to Roger's brother-in-law Al DeAtley or directly to wherever it was processed. 

BTW, I had been to Louse Camp, talking to some bear hunters there on my first visit to Bluff Creek in the summer of 1966. It was down much closer to the mouth of Bluff Creek as I recall and not in the actual creek bed. The "camp" I saw was down in the creek bed and would have been flooded if there were torrential rains, perhaps one reason Roger and Bob were in a hurry to leave. Their stated reason as I recall was that they were worried about the road surface becoming impassible.

  Jim McClarin September 20 at 6:39am

To avoid possible confusion, I meant I'm not sure whether they told Hodgson before or after their trip to the airport.

  Jim McClarin September 20 at 6:55am

Re a dirt road up the creek, yes there was a gravel road (natural creek bed gravel) that crossed the creek at or close to the apparent camp site, then extended all the way up to and past the film site along the eastern side of the creek. I recall a road angled up the east slope off this creek bed road but I don't recall whether it was drivable or just a cat trail. I think it met a roadway higher up on the east side that could be seen in spots from the creek bed but I didn't go up there. I think Roger and Bob said they rode their horses up there to try to intersect "Patty's" trail after she departed the creek bed uphill in that direction but were unable to spot anything.

  Steven Streufert September 20 at 7:19am

Jim, this is fascinating stuff. I'm wondering, would you mind if we continue this discussion and call it an interview for publication on my blog? No one's memory of things that long ago is perfect, and that is why every perspective counts so much. Only so much was ever documented at the time, especially as everyone was seemingly mostly concerned with the creature itself, and not so much with all the other bits of the history of the Bluff Creek events and the locality in general, as well as the timeline of events. Now, so long after, all of these other issues rise to prominence, and many debunkers seek to use apparent contradictions in efforts to discredit the film or impugn the characters of Roger and Bob. I'd love to set the record straight to the greatest degree possible.  Let me know, Steve

  Steven Streufert September 20 at 7:47am

So, regarding the camp site: it was right near by the film site? There are other accounts of a horse camp in that spot, which by your description is right where the current road leads down from the ridge road above to an area with a fire ring and a parking area. From there one proceeds upstream just a short ways up the creek or through the woods to the sandbar where the film was shot. We are talking football field distances from there, not miles. In all his various accountings, Gimlin talks of them riding out from their camp and heading upstream about 2.5 miles to where they saw and filmed the creature. There are accounts in distinction to this, speaking of the horse camp, and even of a primitive corral structure, just down from the film site. Louse Camp is approximately 3 miles down, and is as you describe it, up from the creek bank. The possible Patterson-Gimlin campsite we found was just past the bridge over Bluff, at an area where there appeared to be an old creek ford, as described to us by Al Hodgson in a lengthy interview we did with him earlier this year (you should read it--links are on the upper right side of my blog).

Al seems to think the film site is farther downstream from where most believe it is today. He was there, and got there by hiking up the creek. I am wondering, when you went there, where did you put in with the jeep to head upstream, and how far did you then drive? Also, this is the trip right soon after the film was shot, right? I mean, you went there again the following summer with John Green, and that later trip was when you were filmed walking in the trackway, right? I wonder, with whom did you go up there on that first trip?

Steve

  Steven Streufert September 20 at 8:05am

Re mailing the film: most now believe they took it to Murray Field, outside of Eureka. It was then received by DeAtley and apparently taken to a private processor they knew, as no official Kodak shops were open on Saturdays. Do you know more about any of this? These timeline issues are commonly raised by debunkers who assume it must mean that the story and therefore the film could not be true.

Gimlin says they went directly to Willow Creek and saw Al, then down to the coast to send the film. However, Al still claims that they had gone over the Bald Hills Road to Eureka, mailed it at the main post office, and then come back to Willow Creek to tell Al. The problem is that Al's account could not have been accomplished in the given time, and the post offices would have been closed besides. Any perspectives on all of this? Also, when and how did you meet Rene Dahinden, before heading up to Yakima to view the film, and how did you guys get there?

   Jim McClarin September 20 at 7:56pm

If I had taken the film, I don't think I would have sent it off on an airplane unless I was deep in a wilderness someplace. Even then, I'd probably have insisted on flying out with the film. Why it was deemed so important to get it to DeAtley I can't quite fathom. What would an extra day or two hurt? At any rate, all I know is that I remember they had reportedly sent it by plane. I didn't get the story from Roger but from someone else.

I met Dahinden at Hodgson's variety store. I think he was there by the time I made it over there. Hodgson had come over earlier that morning to the Bigfoot Motel where I had spent the night and informed me of Roger's story. I got dressed and headed over to the store. That may have been my first meeting with Dahinden although I was quite aware of his work in the field. We decided to get up to Yakima as fast as possible so we could see the film. We caught a plane from McKinleyville to Portland, then from Portland to Yakima where we were among the first seven people to view the film.

  Jim McClarin September 20 at 8:28pm

Yes, you may use anything I have written here.

The apparent camp with hay leavings, etc. that I saw was less than a mile downstream from the film site, possibly as little as 100 yards as you suggest. As I recall the road down to the creek at that spot crossed the stream at or very near that little camp and continued up along the right side (east side) of the stream to and past the film site.

It was possibly only a week after the reported filming date that I first went to the site with two other guys in a jeep belonging to one of them. Daniel Perez has the name of the Jeep owner. I can't recall it just now. We forded the very shallow stream at an obvious fording place following the dirt/gravel road. It was not a far drive at all, a few hundred yards, maybe as little as 100 yards.

Multi-frame PGF overlay, as caught in a screen capture from MonsterQuest.

I had a super-8 movie with me and used it to film the footprints, then had one of the other guys film me as I walked along the trail of tracks. I had him film from where I thought Patterson must have been. I sent that film to John Green although he doesn't recall receiving or viewing it. I think he did see it, however, and determined it wasn't useful for size comparison since I was way off on the camera location. I think that's what gave him the idea to try for another film using slides from the PG film to determine where Patterson had to be holding his camera.

I may never have gotten the film I made returned from Green, but if I did, it appears to have been lost, either by me or by Loren Coleman, to whom I gave most all my BF stuff when I got out of the business. Loren has checked without luck and figures if I ever gave it to him, it was lost in one of his many moves around the country.

The Green film with me as subject was indeed shot the following summer.

  Steven Streufert September 25 at 12:45pm

Sorry for the delayed reply. This has been a crazy week. Read the cover story article about me that came out at northcoastjournal.com to see part of what has been going on for me.

Historic image of the Jim McClarin
Oh-Mah Bigfoot, still with its original
base, the tree from which it was carved.

The "road" up Bluff, then, was more of a winding 4WD trail, or old logging route, right?

So, it sounds very clear from your description that you were in the same area we were, what is now called the "bat boxes" landing. Were you there in 2003, after the Willow Creek Symposium? If so, what were your impressions of the site then, the changes to it, and the reactions of all of the people there? Could you even tell where the site was?

When you were there in '67 and '68 did you see tracks beyond the main ten that Titmus cast? Where did they head in either direction?

To disprove this so-called "Bluff Creek Massacre" theory, can you say if you saw any sign of bloody pools or prints, Bigfoot remains, signs of a tractor on site, or any other unusual thing like bullet shells? MK Davis says that Green, Gimlin and the others killed a family of BF and filmed it. Crazy, eh?

When you first saw the film, did you view the entirety of both reels? What was on them, as much, and sequentially, as you can recall....?

If we are doing a little interview here I should ask, how did you get involved in Bigfooting, and what were your first impressions and interactions with people like Green and Dahinden, pioneers in the field?

Thanks! Steve

  Steven Streufert September 25 at 1:15pm

DANIEL PEREZ' EMAIL:
"I would ask Jim, when he met Rene in Willow Creek, did it ever dawn on them or him that maybe they should visit the filmsite first, then go see the film?

Jim McClarin's Oh-Mah statue as it is
today. Photo courtesy of Bob Doran.

The name of the guy who first took Jim to the filmsite was Richard Henry. Think that was around November 5th. As for the base camp, I don't think anyone now can say with any certainty. If that is what Barbara states, that may be so, as she had access to Bob Gimlin.
I think that about does it.

I would just review with Jim some of the things he was feeling at the time. I think at one time he stated it would not be long before they would get one, but that was in 1967?
Did he ever felt he was being watched while at the filmsite?
What was his impression of George Haas?
What was him impression of the 2003 Willow Creek gathering?
What was his impression of seeing his statute there in Willow Creek?"

BIGFOOT BOOKS: Some good questions, and info on the Jeep fellow.

Best, Steve

  Steven Streufert September 28 at 11:10am

Hi Jim... Did you get my last two messages?
We are heading up to Bluff Creek again on Oct. 8th for yet more documentation. It would be great to have as much information from your experience as possible to take with us up there. So far your statements about the jeep trip up there have been VERY helpful. We are going to try to document the remnant signs of the old creekbed "road."

Thanks! Steve

 Jim McClarin September 28 at 5:09pm Report

Ha. I got your messages, got most of one answered, fell asleep at the computer (I have a laptop table I use in bed), and somehow erased it. At any rate it wasn't there when I woke up :-) I will respond in time.

  Steven Streufert September 28 at 5:37pm

  Thanks!

  Steven Streufert October 11 at 1:08pm

Jim, Just back from Bluff Creek! Your recollections proved to be very helpful. We traced the old Jeep road up the creek, finding remaining signs of it there even today. We also think we have located the P-G base camp site and the proper film site/trackway location.

Well, we ruled out the MK Davis, Peter Byrne and Christopher Murphy film site locations, and clarified where it really is, I truly believe, all based on one "aerial" photo Rene D fortunately thought to take in 1972, that the case is now in the bag. I think Cliff Barackman's location is just slightly off. We climbed down the hill from above and I think very clearly found from that angle the properly rounded front of the sandbar, conforming perfectly to Dahinden's photo. Tall trees in back led us further. Moving back we found a cluster of big trees and an old stump buried by a big fern that match the film and known measurements pretty darn well exactly. The images will have to be manipulated in Photoshop to get the right comparative perspective (impossible now due to vegetation growth) to the old film site photos. The "big tree" seems still to be there. One large fir in that area seems to have fallen onto the sandbar. It has an alder growing out of its top, so now we need a tree ring sample to know its age. I feel no lingering doubt that we now know the exact location. Now all we need to do is measure the trackway in there for exactitude.

A full report and YouTube videos will follow on my blog.

Best regards,
Steve, Bigfoot Books

  Jim McClarin October 12 at 5:50am Report

Glad to hear it, Steve. I've been getting a little exposure to BF in reading Lloyd Pye's "Everything You Know is Wrong." Interesting insights but I don't follow some of his logic sequence.

  Steven Streufert October 12 at 11:41am

Pye's book stuck me as odd and fascinating, though I have not read it---it's hard to find a copy!

We're still trying to put all the Bluff Creek puzzle pieces together, so any further recollections from you would be truly helpful and interesting.

Don't feel obliged to answer all of those questions from Daniel Perez--I only sent those for your interest.

Do you know how far past the film site the old jeep/logging road went?

Did you see any tracks farther down from the film trackway?

Things like that have still not been resolved.

Best, Steve

  Jim McClarin October 12 at 5:39pm Report

I don't know how far upstream the jeep road went and I saw no tracks beyond the stretch shown in the PG film. They disappeared once they left the sand and got onto the gravel.

I'm partial to Pye's thesis that Homo sapiens diverges in so many ways from "early man" and appeared so suddenly that we are the likely result of somebody's genetic tampering experiment. I just finished Sitchin's "The Twelfth Planet" (the Sumerian version of Genesis), which I think Pye will get into in his "Everything..." book. I'm reading it straight through without skipping around so I could be wrong. The Sumerians, according to Sitchin, claim that their "gods" created the Adamu in their own likeness as a servant species, although there were plenty of failed attempts leading up to that point. Sitchin figures they combined their own genes with Earth's hominids

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  Steven Streufert October 27 at 5:05pm

  Hi again, Jim.

Thanks for the tip on the Pye book... I will have to read that one soone. By the way, did you hear Sitchin just passed away a while back?

I was wondering, did you ever get around to answering some of those questions I'd asked previously? I mean the ones you had answered, but then lost on your computer by accidental deletion? (See above on the Facebook page, probably in "earlier messages," if you don't have them stored away in your email.) I'm going to post the relevant stuff from our preceding conversation in a blog entry about the PGF site soon. I was hoping to reach a point of completion with that. Anything you can do, or have time and inclination for, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Steve, Bigfoot Books

  Jim McClarin November 5 at 5:00pm

Hi Steven, Here's something I wrote in response to someone else that might contain mtl. of interest to you:

I don't recall the date of my trip with John to the film site but it seems likely John would have indicated that in his following book. The hour would have been late morning to early afternoon due to the fact we were in a canyon and would have been shaded otherwise. I don't know if John was trying to approximate the hour the PG film was taken in his film of me but the lighting dynamics meant we would not have been more than a few hours off. I haven't compared shadows in the two films and made no record of time or date that I recall.

John wanted to use me as the model in his film for two reasons: I'm fairly tall, plus I had visited the site in the week or so following Patterson's filming and knew where the tracks had been. I visited after Bob Titmus had gone to the site and made his series of plaster casts of the best prints. By next summer there were still some nondescript, weathered depressions with small bits of plaster as I recall remaining from the track sequence. Obviously no flooding had occurred over the winter. I walked along these depressions and continued where I recalled the track heading. The impressions had stopped where the sand gave way to gravel/rock, meaning that the trackway was not very long.

Lyle Laverty's PGF site track photo.

In retrospect it would have been good to make detailed notes of how many footprints were visible (I'm thinking 12 to 18), take measurements of each stride and measurements to various surface features (logs, etc.) but it just never occurred to me at the time. What did occur to me was to film the tracks with a super-8 movie camera, then have one of the guys I was with film me walking along next to the footprints. Unfortunately that film was taken from nowhere near the same angle or with the same lens so it was useless for comparison. I seem to recall Green pronouncing it worthless so, while my memory of it is very indistinct, it seems I must have sent the film to him. I think that's what gave him the idea of doing another shoot with a camera like Roger used and using frames from Patterson's film to determine through triangulation just where his camera was during the original filming. Green does not recall my film at all and if I indeed sent it to him he might have returned it to me and I lost it. When I got out of the BF "business" I gave almost all my files, casts, and other research materials to Loren Coleman but he doesn't recall my original filmstrip either and says if he ever had it, it was probably lost in any one of a dozen moves since then.

When I first viewed the site in '67 I estimated my own prints sank 1/4 inch while the adjacent BF prints sank an inch but the comparison was not especially valid since the sand was probably wetter on my visit, which no doubt affected the compaction.

  Steven Streufert November 7 at 4:21pm

OK, Jim, thanks so much! If you have any further things to say or memories in regard to the PGF do please send them along. This has been more helpful than you know, especially in thinking about the old creek road leading up to the film site. I'll send you links to our research, in blog format and via YouTube videos, when they are ready and posted.      Best Regards! Steve, Bigfoot Books, Willow Creek

The carved wooden information sign accompanying Jim McClarin's Bigfoot
statue in Willow Creek. Photo by Steven Streufert, 2008. CLICK TO ENLARGE

END OF INTERVIEW

Be sure to read LOREN COLEMAN'S COMMENT for an update, by this link, or click below.

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Al and Frances Hodgson, Willow Creek, CA, 2007. The PGF 40th
Anniversary Celebration. Photo by Steven Streufert.

SAD NEWS: We offer our condolences to our friend, and grand friend of Bigfoot, AL HODGSON, in regard to the passing of his beloved wife, FRANCES HODGSON (1929-2010). Al had spent the last few years largely caring for her. She had Alzheimer's. Al was gracious enough to give us at Bigfoot's bLog a full three hours of his time back in February for an interview. Frances was present the whole time, in the living room. She was a great lady, whom we met at the 2007 Patterson-Gimlin Film 40th Anniversary Celebration, here in Willow Creek. During Al's many visits to our shop, Frances would normally sit out in the truck outside, but would always wave kindly upon departure. Any respects and condolence messages any of you would like to have passed on to Al by us will be forwarded to him. Send to bigfootbooks@gmail.com

PGF 40th Celebration--Al and Frances can be seen, partially obscured,
in the far right corner, back row. Daniel Perez is front near right;
organizer Tom Yamarone in front, off center left; yours truly at far left.
Really, too many luminaries to count--it was a GREAT time!

As Daniel Perez eulogized her this month in his BIGFOOT TIMES newsletter:

"Passings: Frances Hodgson, the wife of Al Hodgson for 61 years, died on September 25, 2010. Her place in high profile Bigfoot lore is secure, as she was the person who took a call from the late Roger Patterson, when he phoned their home on October 20, 1967, to let them know a 16-mm film of Bigfoot was made in Bluff Creek earlier that day. Frances was involved in the church all her life and was a member of the Willow Creek Bible Church. She was born in Illinois on February 16, 1929."

Al Hodgson with Tom Yamarone at the event, a meeting of generations
in Bigfooting. Photo by Steven Streufert, 2007.

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ANGRY BIGFOOT SPEAKS!

Serious hu-man toxic. Me want study salamanders! Too many hoax, way, way too much BS all humanogenic (me learn new word!). Bigfoot one day prove humanity is a hoax. Don't question Bigfoot. Question humanity. Me try be friend with you hu-man. Now me just do not know. Maybe me go back to being scary "cannibal," no more Mr. Nice Bigfoot. Yeah, me do that.

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